>>12530 Domus Kaotica/Marauder Underground |im not op but ive been interested in magic for some time now. where should i start? i mean book wise or anything? opinions and such would be helpful.
This may screw any sort of reputation I've built here (further?), but I started with a direct energy practice called psionics. I found it a little limiting and rather silly after awhile, and just sort of started studying whatever struck my fancy, as well as just developing what I already knew intuitively.
As far as ritual magic goes, Hermetic makes a pretty good foundation. Modern Magick by Daniel Kraig did a decent job of laying out the fundamentals of the practice, in my opinion.
Aside from that, Liber Null & Psychonaut are pretty much -the- primer for chaos magickings. As far as earth-based/pagan/witchcraft stuff, I can't really say; I've sadly neglected that part of my education.
My recommendation is to have a look at all the systems you can get your hands on and go with what you're comfortable with.
No. 11216 - learning student - October 31st, 2009 - 3:17 AM
op of the post not SHD
im interested in psionics and chaos magick mostly the earth based stuff ive read and never really caught my eye. so those books are good starting points?
Liber Null & Psychonaut are good books, though Peter Carroll's insistence on pseudomaths can get really irritating after a while. His "Liber Kaos" was nonsensical, and his "Psybermagick", while having a lot of phrases that could quite easily pass into trendy occult loquor, seemed to be an excuse for him to meet his Mock Christianity and Comment On Politics quotas required for membership into the Paranormal Pretentious Parade.
Moving a safe distance from my self-righteous intellectual rage: Phil Hine is a much more accessible, easygoing and understandable author on the chaos magick current, and I'd recommend his books "Condensed Chaos" and "Prime Chaos" to anyone who wants to study (chaos) magick without requiring a degree in makebelieve-maths. "Postmodern Magic" by Patrick Dunn is similarly awesome, and probably my favourite book on magick. Similarly, The Book of Lies (the one published by Disinfo, not Crowley's book) and Generation Hex are both anthologies and articles on modern magick which will interest pretty much anyone. They're kind of occult porn, in a way - they tend to get you randy for the real thing, which is good in any circumstance.
No. 11218 - learning student - October 31st, 2009 - 11:05 AM
Much appreciated Goet and SHD now to find these books.
I've got a collection called "The Occult Carrot" (take it as you will) that I will upload... later. I'm off to evoke and then hit parties, it should be interesting.
The collection covers a wide array of things from thelema, luciferianism, enochian, Golden dawn... pretty much all of the more 'serious' stuff (contrasting to new age and psionics).
Personally, my nose goes up at the sight of Radionics, but I'm biased in the thought that magick does not originate within the meatsack, magick radiates from Source to meatsack if anything. Following similar veins of psionics (the sort that dictate only the use of your own body's energy, and the sort that disregards the presence of any sort of seperate energy body) will slow you down when you switch to something else; just be aware.
That said, I started with a collection called Active Psy that was hosted on Psipog.net ages ago. There used to be a number of active communities, but not so much anymore.
see why meatsack? and also im reading the prime chaos and so far its appealing and the idea of self initiation is something i like and have been trying without even realizing it. but im on page 30 so far and trying not to glance over it but actually read it.
No. 11225 - learning student - November 1st, 2009 - 1:33 AM
alrite reading prime chaos still and im going over rituals. do i really need items and such i know he says you can use your mind but i can use somethings. and as for a free area and altar? what can i use? is my room acceptable? is my desk ok? and do i have to wear something i fugred its more of a state of mind then clothing or anything symbolizing that im going to do magic(k). am i being naive? SHD Goet Illuminatus help me out here
It's impossible not to be naive if you're a beginner. Asking questions helps you get over it quicker, though, so go you.
Most of the occult community is at a consensus that occult tools - be it the traditional pentacle, wand, sword and chalice, or other objects such as Tarot, statues, candles or masks - are tools that make a particular task easier, but aren't by any means necessary. It's difficult to get results when you just rely on your mind - physical objects assist in giving you a sense of precisely what it is you're doing.
A "free area" is just Hine's chosen nomenclature for a practice known as cleansing an area or creating a magick circle. Again, consensus seems to be that anywhere is fine, but of pivotal importance is what you feel about the area. If you're sitting there umm-ing and err-ing about the fact you've created a free area in your kitchen and you're wondering if that's "right" or if it "counts", you'll have a hard time pulling off magick because your confidence in your ability and your will will suffer. It is key to just be comfortable with where you cast the circle. Likewise with altars - provided that, during your ritual, it seems perfectly okay and "magickal" for you to use your desk as an altar, then it's totally cool.
Leading on from that, I would say that clothing is similar. Ceremonial Magickians don't wear tau-inscribed robes because they're a necessary part of the formula, but because it's a way for them to divorce their mind from thinking about mundane life and helps to get them into a "magickal" mindset, similarly to how putting on a suit for a job interview (theoretically) puts you into a business mindset. At least, that's my opinion on it; I'm sure some CMs will pop up after this to say that every component of their ritual is a necessity, but hey, at least I don't look ridiculous when I do mind-lasers hand actions when I perform a banishing. (Just kidding.)
If I didn't quite answer something, just get back to me.
no you helped a lot now with Hines banishing ritual i think it will help and now if i could locate some other rituals id be ready to at least practice but as for wand chalice sword and what not i think im just going to use a coffee mug a dagger and a piece of bamboo we have.
Also, a question for anyone who has ever used the word "Thelema." Have you read Rabelais, coiner of the term who wasn't talking about anything occult? Or did you think Crowley just made it up or something.
Also, if you didn't read about it in Rabelais' original context, why didn't you?
What /is/ the point in joining those types of societies purely for that missive? It's normally taken as a given among most magickians that they won't attack one another without reason, and anyone who has exhorted another magickian "just do some goddamn magick already" can appreciate the ignition that a "magical war" can give to your drive and creativity, just like technological advance during war between countries. And, while associating with others with "no moral scruples" (which is pretty difficult since, bar sociopaths, there probably aren't many folk with that much dedication to their work) has its downsides, you could also have an easier time divorcing their magick from their religion, if you catch my meaning. Morality and ethics are argued throughout every sector of magickal activity, and it's nice to just have a break from it for once and actually do some goddamn magick.
θέλημα is the classical Greek word for human will, and carries connotations which, I imagine, Crowley rather liked. Moreover, words can have more than one meaning.
No. 11231 - learning student - November 2nd, 2009 - 4:00 AM
and to take it out of magick morales and life itself is so thought and fought over by scholars and "PC" people that even if your raised perfectly your still horribly wrong to the "PC" world so Morales are only a guidline to help and generally speaking from a new person in magick and as a human being you dont harm or murder another person and you dont rape people period.
A.'.A.'.
-Libers (1-11,13,15,16,25,27-8,30-1,33,36,41,44,49,51-2,55,58-9,61,64-67,70-1,75,78,84,90,93,95-97,101,106,111,120,124,132,148,150-1,156-7,165,175,185,194,197 ,200,206,207,216,220,231,242,300,333,335,341,343,370,400,412,414-5,418,440,451,474,500,536,555,570,614,633,666,671,685,729,777,800,811,813,831,837,850 ,860,868,888,913,963,1066,1151,1364,2261,D,E,NV,Peh,Sameck,Testis)
-The Equinox Vol. 1- Nos. 1-10
-Thoth Tarot jpeg collection
AE Waite
-The Doctrine and Literature of the Kabalah
-Great Symbols of Tarot
-The Hermetic and Rosicrucian Mystery
-The Hermetic Museum
-The Secrety Doctrine in Israel
-Turba Philosophorum
-What is Alchemy
-A French Method of Fortune Telling by Cards
-Pictorial Symbols of Alchemy
-Rosicrucians Real History 1-4
-Some Deeper Aspects of Masonic Symbolism
-The Book of Ceremonial Magic
-The Pictorial Key to the Tarot
-The Templar Orders in Freemasonry
AO Spare
-A Book of Satyrs 1907
-Anathema of Zos 1927
-Logomachy of Zos
-The Focus of Life 1921
-The Book of Pleasure
-The Zoetic Grimoire of Zos
Agrippa
-Agrippa Occult Philosophy Book I-III by Heinrich Cornelius
Alchemy
-Aesch Mezareph
-Corpus Hermeticum
-Hermetic Triumph
Oh balls. Nevermind, just download it and delete what you don't want. I'm not even halfway through the first disc and I've run out of steam.
Ok, looking again, this is DVD. I thought it was just a CD. I have two of them full of this. Hum, maybe just better that you name something you want and I'll check for it? Sorry, but I don't want to spend all night filemongering these onto the internet.
>>12611 >see why meatsack?
Is this an inquiry as to why I used that term, or something else?
http://www.psipog.net/activepsy/contents.html is the psionics page I mentioned, if you hadn't found it.
No. 11233 - Anonymous - November 3rd, 2009 - 5:35 AM
>>12793 I think a lot of these are in /g/ already.
yeah why did you use meatsack and i dont know what im looking for really im still learning and ive got a couple books to start with but no rituals or anything yet.
>>12827 I use meatsack to refer to the physical body for a couple reasons. One, if I were to refer to it as "Base Reality Extrusion" that would be confusing and force me to explain my rather elaborate views on the structure of existence. Second, and probably more important, it is to express my distaste at the idea that the physical body is a higher form of existence. :)
Two communities to look at as a hermeticist, that I suggest tentatively, are Barbelith and Lashtal. Anymore I just happen across strangers in bars who're into hermeticism and that suffices (requires you've got the devil's luck); ego's tend to get a bit inflated with hermetic communities and posts unnecessarily long winded.
