Anonymous - Tuesday, April 6th, 2010 - 11:01 AM
Hey /sorc/ I'm ready to dive into the realm of magick. I know nothing on this subject, not even the basic principles of how I should talk about it.
Can anyone please help?
No. 13018 - Anonymous - April 6th, 2010 - 11:13 AM
You should do some research first and learn some of these basic principles, or at least get an idea of what it is you're trying to do before diving in.
There is quite a bit of info available online but it'll take some sifting to get to the good stuff. Still, I think just looking around on your own for a bit and getting a feel for what's what is a better idea and a better place to start than having people tell you.
No. 13019 - Ready to learn - April 6th, 2010 - 11:34 AM
There-in lies the problem. I don't know where to start. There's so much information that it is overwhelming. I understand the principle that it's subjective to each person, but I have no idea how to begin because of that.
No. 13020 - Goet - April 6th, 2010 - 12:18 PM
Like you said, there's a wealth of different areas of magick that it can be difficult to work out where to start from - but if you give us an idea of what you're in to, we can maybe make suggestions about what to pursue, and how.
First of all, are there particular areas within magick that you've already heard of that you want to pursue or learn more about? For example, reading Tarot cards/throwing Yarrow for the I Ching, summoning up demons and conversing with angels, creating and casting spells, developing psychic abilities, astral projection... that sort of stuff.
No. 13021 - Anonymous - April 6th, 2010 - 12:56 PM
I'm into summoning of spirits and necromancy.
No. 13022 - Anonymous - April 6th, 2010 - 3:54 PM
a piece of advice, develop your third eye and find your soul star before diving into the realm of magick. it will help you understand so much.
sitting on the center of your brow is a small spark of light. it can grow bigger and brighter or dim and shrink during your day. Sometimes you can see it, at the top of your vision. a white light so bright it's almost black. learn to move your vision up into this blinding light and see through it, you will feel an interesting pressure on your brow, like a muscle flexing. don't be sidetracked by it, keep focusing on the white light
magicians are sculptors of astral light, movers of the hidden chess pieces. Don't spend to much time hung up on sigils and pentacles and that sort of thing. spend some time feeling out energies and how it corresponds with your environment.
No. 13025 - satyr418 - April 7th, 2010 - 5:41 AM
Do you believe this nonsense or are you merely taking the piss?
No. 13029 - Anonymous - April 7th, 2010 - 9:03 AM
It's clear your personal convictions are strong, but I REALLY wish you could just stfu if you don't have anything positive to add or an actual argument to put forth.
If someone believes something other than what you do, which seems to be just about everyone, why do you always have to be so negative about it?
No. 13031 - Anonymous - April 7th, 2010 - 12:01 PM
Read Crowley's Book 4 (Liber ABA) and/or Bardon's Initation Into Hermetics. After reading PRACTICE THE EXERCISES IN THE ORDER THEY ARE GIVEN. Do not skip ahead to the advanced exercises until you have mastered the basic ones. I cannot stress how important this is. Don't listen to retards like this >>597. Before you do any work in magick you need to have a solid grounding in controlling your thoughts.
No. 13033 - Anonymous - April 7th, 2010 - 5:28 PM
Thank you. I've already begun his exercises on meditation. They're wonderful. I managed to stay put for the full 15 minutes but lost concentration twice. I feel incredibly dizzy after this exercise though. Is this an intended side-effect or psychological?
No. 13034 - satyr418 - April 8th, 2010 - 7:33 AM
Okay, fair enough.
No. 13037 - Anonymous - April 8th, 2010 - 7:53 AM
No, it isn't the intended effect. You're probably holding your breath or something. Also, your body is capable of all sorts of illusory sensatiions, so could be some of that, too.
Meditation - and yoga, too - are much like lifting weights. What you do today doesn't really matter. What matters is what you do every day, day-after-day, ritually, habitually.
No. 13038 - satyr418 - April 8th, 2010 - 8:19 AM
On second thought, fuck you.
No. 13039 - satyr418 - April 8th, 2010 - 8:26 AM
I don't know about Bardon, but Book 4 is likely to go right over a beginners head. Parts I, II, and IV are useless approaching worse than useless. Part III, while informative and suggestive even for the rank beginner, is still no place to begin and never addresses the subject of getting started at all.
Crowley's - and the Golden Dawn's - approach to the practice of magic is neatly summed-up in his "Liber O vel Manus et Sagittae":
Best fucking intro to this kind of magic I've ever seen, bar none.
Of course, the very best way to get started is to find someone who actually does this stuff, even if you only communicate with them online.
No. 13040 - Anonymous - April 8th, 2010 - 9:21 AM
Classy. No one said you had to leave or step out. Just curious why you're always being such an ass about it when you don't agree with what someone else says, thinks, or believes.
No. 13046 - Anonymous - April 8th, 2010 - 11:16 PM
Here is a nice introduction that gets posted around.
No. 13048 - satyr418 - April 9th, 2010 - 6:27 AM
It depends, really, and had you been paying attention you'd know that.
There are times when it's obviously just a difference in opinion. I can accept that just fine and say so. I think that's more-or-less where my first encounter with Goet ended.
That third-eye business is either insanity or a troll. You might see a forum like this is as some sort of support group. I don't, so I can easily despence with the group hugs.
I tend to react negatively to bullshit generally and there's going to be a lot of bullshit in any occult forum, with some being worse than others. Here, there seems to be a hunger for information and few few if any folks with any actual experience. Consequently, there's a lot of bullshit for me to be an asshole about.
Plus, I personally have nothing to gain by being liked and accepted, while my readers have much to lose by dismissing me as just an asshole. I call that a win-win situation, in my book.
No. 13055 - Anonymous - April 9th, 2010 - 9:31 AM
Oh, I understand now.
If you don't like or approve of whatever it is, it's instantly wrong and therefore ok for you to be as much of a dick about it as you want. If someone disagrees with you, they too are immediately wrong and you can discount any point they have until you're blue in the face rather than entertaining an opinion different than your own.
I get it, thank you for your time.
No. 13056 - Anonymous - April 10th, 2010 - 12:28 AM
Not the same guy you've been posting to, but I get where you're coming from. I'm just curious how you're certain this third eye thing is bull?
No. 13057 - Anonymous - April 11th, 2010 - 7:53 AM
>>606 here (none of the other posts are mine)
It depends on what you mean by dizzy. If you mean that you're feeling sick and as if you're going to pass out, then no it is not an intended effect (maybe try shortening the time to ten minutes if this happens until you get more used to long periods of meditation). If, on the other hand, you have a feeling of detachment from the outside world and this makes you take a while to feel "grounded" back in reality, then yes it is quite common to feel this and it's a good sign of progress.
If I suggested Bardon and Crowley, it is because they place an important stress on thought control from the start, and based on this provide exercises suitable for beginners. If OP chooses to go on to the more advanced exercises is up to him, but these mental exercises provide a strong base for doing any kind of magic. You will not have consistent repeatable results with magic unless you develop this. If you're not able to sit down and focus on one thing without interruptions, then all the ritual in the world can't save you. Visualization like the third-eye one (whether it's valid or not is another matter) are useless if in the middle of it you start thinking about what happened throughout your day.
If you're using Bardon's system and plan on doing evocation of spirits then you should work through Steps 1-8 of Initiation Into Hermetics and only then move on to his second book "Practice of Magical Evocation". This is not something that you can do in a few months. It will take you years or maybe even your entire life depending on the intensity of your practices. You should reevaluate your goals and see if this is what you really want. Only those who are serious in their practices will see any progress. Those studying magic for the wrong reasons need not apply.
No. 13058 - Anonymous - April 11th, 2010 - 8:34 AM
no, it was not a nauseating feeling of dizziness. It was more of a disorientation, I guess because I was out of the world for so long and not seeing things around me.
No. 13059 - Anonymous - April 11th, 2010 - 9:39 AM
I used to get this way as well when I started trying to project. I also got that at first when trying to work with my chakras and what have you. I would get really... light-headed sort of, feeling like I was hanging on by a thread. With time it got easier though and now I don't feel it at all.
No. 13072 - satyr418 - April 15th, 2010 - 6:00 AM
No, thank you for playing!
No. 13073 - satyr418 - April 15th, 2010 - 6:03 AM
In this particular case, anyone who mentions "third eye" and "soul star" in the same sentence is probably full of shit.
In generaly, you can "do magic" without even knowing what a third eye is.
No. 13074 - satyr418 - April 15th, 2010 - 6:07 AM
"If you're not able to sit down and focus on one thing without interruptions, then all the ritual in the world can't save you."
Yes and no, I'd say.
Ritual is itself a way of getting around the need for absolutely flawless concentration.
There are other ways around it, too. Various techniques leading to exhaustion - death posture, sex, &c - work well. Drugs can help, but in a very limited way.
No. 13092 - Anonymous - April 17th, 2010 - 12:03 AM
Drugs work wonders if you know how to use them correctly. If you're just starting out it would be best to try and avoid them because you might become solely dependent on them to achieve the states of mind you need.
No. 13106 - satyr418 - April 20th, 2010 - 6:11 AM
Well said and you're quite correct.
No. 13600 - Anonymous - August 10th, 2010 - 6:50 PM
Few things in the world as absolutely useless, but I'm pretty sure that this website is one of them. Unless of course you're a roleplayer, in which case it's perfect for you.
But I can't think of a single historical magician who would willingly throw away all sorts of versatility just to fit into that author's categorizations. And that's just the first of a long list of problems that site has.
No. 13601 - Goet - August 13th, 2010 - 6:40 AM
It does come across as unneccesarily contrived, to be sure, but there is the occasional interesting aside. The whole bit about Shades in the Sorcery section could be turned into something pretty groovy: expressing one's (Jungian) Shadow through servitors in order to achieve mastery over it would be kind of cool, for example. I'm willing to bet there're a bunch more salvagable ideas around the site, too.
No. 13602 - Truth - August 14th, 2010 - 12:35 PM
stupid shitty post why wont you delete
No. 13603 - Truth - August 14th, 2010 - 4:18 PM
yay it finally went, i had to report myself to do it but... yay :)