Some of us seem to be pretty good at sailing through the Astral Plane or what have you, and frequently there are references to entities that one can meet on the astral plane. Similarly, some occultists seem to get in touch with odd entities that don't seem to conform to our commonly accepted notions of mythological beings, contemporary cryptids and so on. I'm not talking about Shadow People, Fey, poltergeists or Black Shuck here; I'm talking things akin to Saucerianonymous' bizarre "alien" entities, things that don't quite fit into the pre-established nomenclature that we as occultists have prepared for them, something that doesn't seem to have been recorded previously (or, if so, was only sparsely documented).
So, I ask you: have you ever encountered an Odd Entity That Defies Explanation, whether on the astral plane or in the physical world? Something that you don't think has a name yet, something that doesn't match up to entities described in the many and varied books on folklore, mythology, spirits and gods already on the market? If so, can you tell us a little about them?
No. 17512 - LuinbarielDreamwalker - December 15th, 2010 - 10:56 AM
I've seen some in the physical world.
I was sitting at the kitchen table with my dad doing my homework (this was a long time ago, probably about grade eight or so). It was getting late but the sun hadn't quite set yet (it was early fall) and I was looking out the window at the field. It was really windy out and the wheat, which was half-way between green and gold.
As I looked I saw a woman and a boy at the edge of the field. The woman was kneeling and the boy was in front of her, sort of in her arms. They were both almost completely green. Their skin was green, their clothes were green... but their eyes were black. They were both smiling (close enough for me to see it because the field started right at the edge of my mom's garden).
I got up out of my seat and bolted out of the house as fast as I fucking could. I scared the shit out of my dad. I had to put the house between me and them in order to get there and by the time I ran up to it they were gone. I looked around a bit but didn't see anything there.
I've caught glimpses of other things like that once in awhile around the farm, but that was the best look I ever got...
I encountered an entity I made and forgot about a long time ago just recently while meditating. His name popped up bright and clear in my mind, and his form felt like it manifested in my field of vision, especially when I opened my eyes. It was like a very fine, small cross at the point of focus of my vision that divided the whole visual plane into four quadrants. When I examined the small cross closely, it was like a very compact four-lobed flower. A sensation came over me of intense mental quiet and observation, like a very wakeful trance, and the feeling of meditating was made a lot clearer and was easier to sustain.
I find this experience interesting because his original form was just a human guy with horns and wings. He was made as an entity of focus and spiritual inspiration.
I wasn't aware created entities could change form. Perhaps I gave him such an individual presence that he was able to continue on without my input and change forms at will? What's the deal with that?
The idea of a magickal record appears in various forms within the topic of magick - be it a formal record of spells, rituals, and divinations you've done, a repository for tables of correspondance and other symbol-sets, a journal of your meditations or thoughts on particular topics, or what have you.
Do you utilise a Book of Shadows, Grimoire or Magickal Record? If so, what form does it take? Do you split it into several different categories/books/folders? To what purpose do you use it? What kind of information do you keep inside it? What name/label do you give to your BoS/Grimoire? Do you let other people read or handle it?
No. 17175 - Anonymous - November 24th, 2010 - 11:33 AM
I personally have a binder of shadows, since my handwriting is positively ghastly. I keep most of my information in it, a lot of it still needs to be printed off my computer. I also write a blog as a magical diary with day to day events and situations, and belong to multiple online BOS wiki's. Also have a public BOS in my house, though I prefer my own due to it only having my energy in it.
I think it is absolutely wonderful to have a hard copy BOS, but since we live in such a technical world, it is pretty nice to have files on the web of everything.
One of them is my Book of Shadows, an 8x11 black cloth bound hard cover with white unlined paper, splattered with candle wax and with a rough equal-armed cross smeared in wax on the front. 150-200 pages? I dunno. All the paper I use is unlined actually. I write in it when planning ideas for ritual and sigils sometimes, but mostly when I'm actually in ritual. I draw diagrams of where everything is placed in my ritual set-up (my 'altar' is the floor of my bedroom covered with various colored fabrics according to the working, so I have a lot of space to organize all manner of candles, herbs, statues, crystals, and tools.) It's most useful for recording prayers or invocations or channeled monologues I spontaneously come upon in that altered space. I date every entry, and I never change any of my past pages, because I feel like each one becomes a piece of history I guess. I got it on my 15th birthday from a fellow magical friend. I'm 18 now, so I've had it for three years. Not more than 30 pages are filled, I think.
The second one is an orange paper bound hard cover with beige parchment pages. It has an automatic...
So, after reading a decent amount of stuff on magic(k), and talk to others, when it really comes down to it, it's more of a state of mind isn't it?
I mean, I never expected to be able to like, snap my fingers and have a flame burst out of now where, but you know when I first got into reading about it and what-not I was thinking that maybe I could, with enough effort and practice, catch a piece of paper on fire, not instantaneously of course, but you know with some time.
So, am I wrong when I say that magic(k) is more of a state of mind than something that would allow a human, with no tools, to do something like catch something on fire?
And what of things like PK and energy manipulation? What do you guys have to say about that?
>>17176
He told me about it. The official explanation was something along the lines of a static electricity spark catching the carpet on fire. He told me that, too.
I am familiar with the problems of separating our correlation from causation. I am not offering the story about a friend of mine who burned down a house with magic as proof that magic can burn down houses. I am offering the story as background to why I believe that magic is not just a state of mind (because I believe it can burn down houses). My friend is, to me, an extremely trustworthy source; to you, he's nothing in particular, if you even think he really exists.
Magic can happen mentally as an altered state of mind, and magic can happen physically as really awesome, way cool, super sweet and convenient coincidences.
The ground shook while you were performing a hex? I'd say hell yeah it's magic. I wouldn't say you caused it to happen, but it's definitely relevant and powerful for you yourself to think of those events lining up for a neat effect.
What kinds of magic does /sorc/ practice? I practice Chaos.
No. 17174 - Anonymous - November 24th, 2010 - 11:26 AM
Mostly eclectic, but I'm natural at Fae magic, which entails most forms of Divination and spirit mediumship.
No. 17252 - Fizban - November 30th, 2010 - 10:29 AM
Grey psi...
a mix of black and white that suits me and psi because i've already studied psionics and psychology intensively and also have non-magical things i use such as pattern breaks, proxemics, kinesics and natural language processing.
Anonymous - Tuesday, September 28th, 2010 - 4:37 PM
I'd love to become a magician, however I fear that magic doesn't real and that I'll be just wasting my time. Is there a way I could get some proof before putting my time and effort into something that might turn out to be a dead end?
No. 17177 - Anonymous - November 24th, 2010 - 11:44 AM
>>13727
Most of the time when people say they can produce fireballs, move objects with their minds, etc. etc. etc. it's a waste of time. Sadly, in the magical world, there are a lot of roleplayers and delusional people. I personally believe that if anyone could master these skills, which I am not sure is even possible on this plane of existence, they would certainly not gloat about it and share it with the world.
Kind of like those people who say they are reincarnations of Gods and Goddesses. If they really were, the chances of them going public with it aren't really...high. I'm my opinion, at least.
Moral of the story, you have to make your own proof to see if magic actually works, and if being a magician is worth your time, OP. It's really up to how much time and energy you are willing to commit to it.
Hello, I thought since things are so slow here you might not mind helping me out with a few question about a servitor I've been wanting to create. Basically I want its purpose to pleasure me, in many ways like a succubus, drawing energy each time it does so becoming stronger and stronger (pic related, its the form I want it to take). But what I want to know it
1.IS drawing energy from each session possible? I mean as long as that servitor is my thought on climate (reaching a gnostic state) it should boost its strength.
2.Is there any chance of it jumping out at odd times, like if I had company, and if so how would I prevent that?
3.What exactly should I expect in the sexual activity itself, would it full on pleasure me or would it be more an added bit of pleasure when fapping?
Thanks for reading and thanks if you help to, I am on the fence about it all because I've never made anything stronger than a sigil.
No. 17119 - Luinbariel - November 15th, 2010 - 8:17 AM
I'm curious. Do you think it's possible to create a thought-form or servitor without trying to? Like it can become the result of some sort of strange, unintended accident or something like that?
If so, what would form its personality? Is this even possible?
I believe it's possible for accidents or unintentional habits to be linked with particular entities. As to whether these accidents actually 'create' these entities is up to debate, but I'm inclined to say that they merely attract or evoke them.
I don't think entities conjured up via accidents or mindless habits would at all be considered Servitors, although the way in which they exist would be similar, I think. Servitors are beings purposely and consciously created and designed by an occultist. They are practical. Logical. Beings that are created accidentally would be inherently emotional, perhaps pathological, because unintentional or habitual events are largely subconscious(you don't even think about them). The entities and their personalities would stem from whatever unintentional event attracted/evoked them.
Another, shorter way to say this is that I think unintentional events can summon up 'demons.' Keeping in mind the whole 'As above, below. As within, without.' maxim, your psychological states or patterns can attract these 'demons' that are both psychological and spiritual(both Inner and Outer Forces simultaneously). The nature(or...
Hi, my name is Edward. I'm 17 and from Australia. I'm religious, I pray to God before I sleep and thank him for providing me with the good things in life even when I'm down. But I'm not die hard religious, I dont even go to church, but I'd love to try some magic, just to see how it would affect me personally.
Now I'm not coming here and asking to shoot Hadukens at people I don't like..
Small things would be awesome, just to see how things work in the psychic world (would that be a good way to put it?).
I'm basically looking for where to start, some info on a specific subset of magic I might like, or something like that..
I was looking earlier at "sigils" and "Servitors" and might be interested in creating a Sigil or Servitor at some point, I don't know if they are magic or just something on the internet.
I dont know! You guys are the gurus! Help me start out please?
Let me begin by saying that, almost universally, religious people who begin the path of a magi will become closer to their deity and not further. You should begin with meditation, any method thereof, to focus your mind and train your soul and awareness.
A basic method of meditation is focal meditation; You sit completely still and choose one object or sensation, such as the sight of a candle flame, the feeling of breathing, or the sound of your own heart beating, and let it fill your mind to the exclusion of all else. You relax and let other thoughts pass out of mind as you allow the sensation to fill your mind more, until it is the sole object of your focus and you are entirely concentrated upon it. It's difficult at first, but this method is the most common. Keep in mind that there are many methods, and the only goal is to focus your mind and clear it of needless noise. It is an exercise in training that self-control and in clearing the mind, as is necessary to channel spiritual energy through it.
The book that details sigil magic and the creation of servitors(known together, among other techniques, as Chaos Magick) the most is called "Liber Null"...
Yeah, I'm really not sure why that particular picture's been used on the Wikipedia page; I had a hell of a time trying to figure why someone would immediately leap to the conclusion that it looked like a sad face. Sad face with bubonic plague, maybe.
I'm reluctant to ask, but I am curious. Have any of you managed to have any concrete, tangible results from practicing any kind of magic? I'm not talking about magic that only occurs in you mind, or what you perceive as events in the spiritual ect. In the most blunt way, evidence or it hasn't happened.
No. 13717 - Anonymous - September 27th, 2010 - 9:04 AM
>>1362
I believ that >>1361 means that internal change isn't supernatural by any means and to call it magic is stupid.
>>1384
Ok; I'm saying that it's not just internal, it is supernatural, and magic is its proper name. If you're just talking about psychological development done with occult symbolism, then I'd agree, that would be internal, natural, and not magic. But since I was replying to someone who was asking what the difference between that stuff and magic was, it's two entirely different subjects.
The three fold law has always struck me as kind of a shakey proposition.
I mean, a magical law, where everything you do comes back three times, both good and bad.
But who is the cosmic jury that rules whether what you did was bad and you need a three fold smiting because of it.
The idea of good and bad rests on a razor's edge. Its the individual's perception that weighs in on what falls into each category.
Now, I know I'm not breaking any ground here with this thought I've had about it, but wanted to see where everyone else was on the issue.
It strikes me that the three fold law is nothing more than a self-fulfilling spell. Its a spell fed day in and day out by one's belief in it. By believing in the three fold law, you are dumping energy into it to fuel this spell. A spell which, through your own belief in it, is cast every time you do spellwork.
Anyone else agree that the threefold law just boils down to a spell that you cast on yourself, and that you're just saving your own energy by not believing in it, and saving yourself a lot of hassle?
No. 13702 - Anonymous - September 21st, 2010 - 11:00 AM
To: >>1356
From: >>1367 , >>1352
As for "spreading beliefs" - the belief I'm spreading is not associated with any particular dogma, taking a personal belief within a certain sect and trying to apply it globally. I'm here arguing against said belief as a universal, in favor of whatever a person chooses to believe for themselves.
However, since this is a thread discussing the validity of the threefold law outside of the Wiccan religion, your input is not only valid, but insightful. I apologize for my disrespect in my initial post.
No. 13716 - Anonymous - September 27th, 2010 - 7:06 AM
>>1367
>>If you're that old, that this saying from when you were a kid predates Gardiner's spreading Wicca, I'd be surprised.
"Bad events coming in threes" is not the threefold law of Wiccans, but rather an older piece of folklore. "Everything you do comes back at you three-fold" is a different statement altogether.
Looking at wikipedia, Wicca comes from the 1950. If that is the case, I obliviously don't predate Wicca. Still, I have heard this saying ever since I was a kid. Teachers used to tell it to us, my parents told it to me, etc. "Point at someone and look at your fingers, one if pointing at the other person, but three are coming back at you. Everything you do comes back
at you threefold. So be nice and life will be nice to you, be bad life will be bad to you"... etc.
Sure, it could come from Wicca, but I doubt that I live in a Wiccan-rich area and that my teachers, parents, tutors, etc. were wiccan...
Could the Wiccan saying have grown so popular? Perhaps... but I still have my doubts as to say that I have been raised with a Wiccan motto while I...
