Has anyone else here read "The Miracle of New Avatar Power" by Geoff Gray-Cobb?
I just read it through yesterday, as I had heard it was reknowned as a very effective magical system, even for beginners, on another forum (The Fool Speaks). I was interested because though i have studied the occult for a very long time (4 or 5 years) i have yet to actually attempt to DO anything.
The more i read it, the more familiar it seemed, and then I realized; It's essentially Streamlined Hermetics.
That would explain why it is so effective, as Hermetics is a very effective system.
It's a really good system, and I'm already seeing results, less than 24 hours after i read the book, and simply mumbled the incantations as I said them, without even really TRYING to do anything. Just reading aloud so i could remember it better, and plugging in my desire where it told me to. The next day, I got a raise. My desire was more money. Might be a coincidence, but it was encouraging nonetheless
It requires no superfluous things like magical circles, tools, incense, etc. And it literally takes a max of 15 minutes to do...
No. 13710 - Anonymous - September 25th, 2010 - 10:23 AM
http://www.molochsorcery.com/amazingsecrets.html
Here's a review - the book is all 101 stuff and "positive self talk", according to this character. Oh! And its wrapped in an annoying amount of jibber-jabber.
No. 13713 - Anonymous - September 25th, 2010 - 11:28 AM
Skimmed it, want those two minutes of my life back. It reads like those become-400-lbs-of-muscle-in-two-weeks ads in the back of old comics. I tried stuff like this back in the beginning... I guess most people did... and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, it just messes with your mind and leaves you wanting.
And it doesn't have anything at all to do with Hermetics.
>>1162
Here, waste some time: http://uploading.com/files/get/bc8cce64/
My question is how I can store it. I would suppose just in the refrigerator, but I also heard you can dry blood and I'm wondering just how to do that. I live in a humid area so I suppose just leaving it out wouldn't do the trick. My initial thoughts were to dry it in an oven similar to how you would dry food.
>>972
Menstrual blood is used heavily, especially in witch bottles. Great for charms and such, and is even better when using it accompanied with malicious magic against a female.
I use blood often, but mine is always fresh from my own body. Dead blood doesn't really do a lot, unless what you're doing specifically requires dead blood.
No. 13712 - Anonymous - September 25th, 2010 - 10:48 AM
You don't *store* blood. You sacrifice it fresh. Silly n00bs.
Has anyone on /sorc/ ever cursed anyone before? What did the curse consist of? Did it have the desired effect? Did you experience any negative consequences?
I will admit that I am interested in cursing someone, but I have no experience with this sort of thing, so I thought would ask around about curses.
it depends on how susceptible your target is. Also it's pretty tricky and chaotic. Sometimes it'll just fall back on you drive you insane.
Your best bet is to just let it go, usually your own manifestation of anger effects the person in question when you release the energy you're holding back.
No. 13711 - Anonymous - September 25th, 2010 - 10:46 AM
Yep. Every so often I get an itch for it, and wait for a suitable (deserving AND vulnerable) target.
I like to work in that the subject will even grow from the experience - screw free will, sometimes an asshole threatens the wellbeing of the community so much that they have to learn.
Crowley's conception of Choronzon is a good one to work with for this, flinging them headlong into the Kaballistic abyss. Either the subject finds their freedom and life limited more and more until they're a non-factor in even their own lives, or they learn the lesson. Of course, to do this, you first have to have your own experience with Choronzon, and a willingness to learn the lesson again...
Targets who not only have life experience, but have learned to grow past it generally fare better. Others who prefer to perpetually wallow just end up gone, and eventually dead from trying to grasp control which has been confiscated and turned against them.
One tip: just don't do anything stupid like a quintuple invocation. That gets taxing and has its own effects.
He /sorc/ this could easily be the wrong spot to post this, if so, sorry.
So, I was thinking of getting a deck of Tarot cards, and I was wondering, how do I know what deck to get?
Saying that the Waite is superior to all other deck sounds elitist to me.
I am of French origin and most of my family have been in contact with divination at one point or another. Playing cards Cartomancy, Tasseography, Cheiromancy, and finally Taromancy (Marseilles and similar decks). None of those have any link whatsoever with Waite's views and symbolism. Yet, they were used ages before Waite's tarot came to be. And they were all good methods of divination that gave out accurate readings.
At the beginning, tarot had nothing to do with alchemy or even the elements. Those were added afterwards, to coincide with other studies of the Golden Dawn (and similar occult societies of the time.)
In other word, they toke the Tarot, a system that was true to itself and added a bunch of symbolism only because they could fit. They added Alchemical symbolism, they added Elemental symbolism, they added a relation to the Tree of Life, etc.
Exactly what people do today. Sure, some decks are truly horrible. But it's not because they are new-age. They could have been made in the 1700 and they would still be as horrible. They are not...
No. 13709 - Lord Fanny - September 25th, 2010 - 12:39 AM
>>1370
I almost ignored this post, because I can't tell if they've ignored my posts, even where the post directly previous got my point. Yes, *ANY* Symbol-rich deck will do, but finding such a deck is its own challenge, unless you decide upon the tried and true Thoth or Waite decks, or stumble upon a gift from your god(s). The more rich, cohesive, and well-coordinated the symbol set, the better the deck.
>>1366
Of course the reader is the key in all of this. However, does a practiced reader become so in a vacuum?
The Waite deck can be treated as though the symbols were non-existent, to a beginner. So it is with any good tarot deck - they learn the ropes of the Tarot system proper.
With diligent practice, guided by study into those symbols (even practice with them separately), the diviner develops not only a mastery of Tarot itself, nor simply a deeper understanding from those symbols. This practitioner hones that intuition you speak of.
Or, the practitioner can jump in all at once, Tarot, symbols and all, and gather that intuition with practice. It is up to them, but this road is more...
Anonymous - Tuesday, September 14th, 2010 - 9:14 AM
Looking for info/resources on black magic and/or cursing. In before warnings about 3 fold rule or how dangerous it is, at this point I don't give s shit what it costs.
>>1372
There is a facet of modern magical practice known as "natural magic" which is probably the type most accessible to non-magicians. It makes primary use of inherent metaphysical qualities in plants, minerals, animal parts, etc, rather than developed skill on the part of the magician. Therefore, as you say you're not a magician, the basics of natural magic would probably be the most useful for you. John Michael Greer has an encyclopedia or two out on this subject, and his research is usually quite good.
No. 13708 - Anonymous - September 23rd, 2010 - 3:45 AM
Magic works with will and intent. Without using any tools, the only thing you can work off of it visualization and thought.
So I suggest you write a spell, and if you're not comfortable with that, just write your feelings and what you want to happen. Then visualize it happening, and visualize the process.
If you're not willing to use tools, this is the best I can tell you. Also, if you don't put enough thought/want/energy into it, of course it wont happen. You really need to be running off of raw emotion.
No. 13694 - Anonymous - September 20th, 2010 - 10:53 AM
>>647
You're lying to yourself if you think this isn't the case in first world countries as well.
No. 13699 - Anonymous - September 21st, 2010 - 9:44 AM
>>1360
Uhm, the distribution of wealth is changing in 1st world nations. In the US, about one in seven people live below the poverty line. That's a significant jump from previous decades.
Instead, those elite in first world countries have to make sure we're still compliant while they suck out all of our money.
Anonymous - Saturday, December 12th, 2009 - 12:37 PM
The site containing my favorite 'beginner' magic tutorial appears to be gone, but I saved the pages when I first discovered it out of fear that this would happen. I captured it in images for easy distribution; here it is in its entirety:
Hello Sanctuary.
I have a question for all of you magical-type seekers out there:
How do you deal with overload? I've been studying magic and related disciplines for almost ten years now, trying out a bit here and there, but nothing has ever really stuck. I've read so much information about the occult that I'm really starting to feel overwhelmed by it. There are so many different systems out there, I have no idea which one to follow. Chaos magic appeals to me greatly, but once I did some reading on it, I find myself saying "okay, now what?" In many cases i find the programs and stuff set down in books to not quite work with my lifestyle, or doesn't quite answer my questions.
I don't know where to go from here. I know a little bit about a lot of things, but have no idea how to put any of this into practice. Lately I've been thinking I need a group or mentor of some sort, to help me focus my energies a bit, but I'm having a hard time finding one. Does any one know of where to find someone online to apprentice to, or have any other ideas as to how to combat this dilemma of mine?
thank you for your time, guys. Any...
>>980
Ahh, new links, Thank you. These look very intersting.
No. 13688 - Anonymous - September 20th, 2010 - 1:31 AM
It helps when its not just studying, but includes practicing. Those 10 years are not wasted if you haven't done any of that, but humans remember things better if they use it all. This applies in the occult as well.
That you say "studying" seems to imply a lack of practice. If I am mistaken, I mean no offense.
Books are great. But when Chaos Magic Theory changes every time Stephen Hawking pronounces another improvable mental masturbation, books explaining "how it works - from your head to reality" may as well be word salad from a schitzophrenic.
How to put it into practice is another matter altogether. If you don't already, find some way to meditate which suits you.
/sorc/erers, what do you do to avoid/counteract distraction while performing your sorcery? I know it's important to stay focussed but what do you do when random thoughts emerge?
While I'm not a 'practitioner' or whatever (I'm actually kind of a skeptic), I found this thread very interesting from a psychiatric standpoint.
All the advice in this thread seems to boil down to letting your subconscious run it's course without actively trying to block it, until you're relaxed enough that it ceases on it's own, am I right?
These principles also apply to the field of Hypnosis, and are essentially the same effect you hope your patient will achieve on their own through your guiding words.
It makes me wonder if the two are related, maybe just different words to describe the same effect, with one being more accepted by the scientific field (perhaps only because scientists are uncomfortable using terms like 'Meditation' and 'Sorcery'). It also makes me wonder if the two states could be used to achieve similar ends...
No. 13687 - Anonymous - September 20th, 2010 - 1:22 AM
Actually?
Mood music. Mainly psytrance or goa, and exclusively instrumentals. What amounts to Musical Mandalas make it so much easier to do what I gotta do!
Or there's what Crowley ripped off of Rajayoga - learn to meditate. Start with practicing your still position. Then, learn to focus on your breathing to get your mind settled. After that, learn to jump straight into a settled mind without breathing exercises... each step is its own longterm process, discussed in Crowley's Liber IV (Book 4) part one.
